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> What's so great about the lambda calculus? In a profession plagued by, "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail," we get really excited when someone is able to come along and prove that everything really *is* a nail if lambda is the hammer. -- firstname.lastname@example.org % You're posting to a Scheme group. Around here, arguing that Java is better than C++ is like arguing that grasshoppers taste better than tree bark. -- Thant Tessman <email@example.com> in comp.lang.scheme % > Can we quote you on that? A long time ago, someone in the Lisp industry told me it was poor form quote people; it suggests that they lack value. -- Kent M Pitman <firstname.lastname@example.org> in comp.lang.lisp % LISP is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use LISP itself a lot. -- Eric S. Raymond % Pascal is for building pyramids - imposing, breathtaking, static structures built by armies pushing heavy blocks into place. Lisp is for building organisms - imposing, breathtaking, dynamic structures built by squads fitting fluctuating myriads of simpler organisms into place. -- Alan J. Perlis, in the Foreword to SICP % Its a shame that the students of our generation grew up with windows and mice because that tainted our mindset not to think in terms of powerful tools. Some of us are just so tainted that we will never recover. -- Jeffrey Mark Siskind <email@example.com> in comp.lang.lisp % Years ago at an X conference in San Jose, Ousterhout gave a talk on Tcl/Tk. I came away from the talk think "Man, what a poorly implemented Lisp interpreter that is!" -- Mike McDonald <firstname.lastname@example.org> % It is cruel to compare the Lisp machine with a bunch of PERL hacks. Especially when you know that the Lisp machine pioneered things like generic networking (which nowbody has - even nowadays), distributed objects, has been used to control all kinds of devices (from capture boards to massively parrallel computers like the connection machine), had stuff like remote 3d graphics rendering a decade ago, and all this was actually implemented in Lisp in a sane way (not glued together). -- Rainer Joswig <email@example.com> % If you give someone Fortran, he has Fortran. If you give someone Lisp, he has any language he pleases. -- Guy L. Steele Jr. % Lisp is a programmable programming language. -- John Foderaro % > [prolonged debate about why other languages are better than Lisp] > Typed languages and modularization have their advantages. Lisp is strongly typed and modularised - this does have advantages I agree. -- Chris Double <firstname.lastname@example.org> % maybe you can revive the lisp used in the old "abuse" game? (i'd offer pointers, but i'm sort of afraid of typing "lisp abuse" into a search engine. :-) -- thi <email@example.com> in comp.lang.lisp % Parentheses? What parentheses? I haven't noticed any parentheses since my first month of Lisp programming. I like to ask people who complain about parentheses in Lisp if they are bothered by all the spaces between words in a newspaper... -- Kenny Tilton <firstname.lastname@example.org> % Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp." % I am reminded of Gregor Kiczales at ILC 2003 [the International Lisp Conference] displaying some AspectJ to a silent crowd, pausing, then plaintively adding, "When I show that to Java programmers they stand up and cheer." -- Kenny Tilton <email@example.com> %